John and Expenses perform encounter one another the second go out immediately following their assault on the Ridgewood Farm harmful John simply to walk out and you will which he failed to eliminate your just before and therefore he will, John manage insult Expenses saying he’s not a person to which Statement retorts of the claiming John always got a high viewpoint out-of himself and this Dutch thought of John as a keen ”Conceited Man Out-of A good Bitch” and claiming he had been half right ahead of giving their males so you can kill John, Leigh Johnson with his deputies.
John and you will Expenses will eventually come across one another one last time within the Escalera just after Expenses fled to Mexico that have assistance from Javier Escuella and place on the governments protection and you will after John’s much time pursue up to Mexico looking for him, once an effective pursue as much as Escalera and finishing the fresh wagon he and you can Allende had been for the Expenses and you may John exchange banter that have 
John declaring he will eliminate him and you may Dutch and you may real time more than her or him.
Javier Escuella
Into the Enter, Pursued of the a memory Javier fades to search for John when he thinks whenever the fresh new roles was in fact stopped then John carry out try to find your; John and you may Javier could work effectively with her as well. Yet not, once the group gets in its refuse and Dutch begins to go wild, Javier carry out beginning to eliminate trust in John and his awesome fellow gang member Arthur Morgan nonetheless thoughtlessly pursue Dutch and his suggests, showing just how loyal he’ll end up being in order to him. Whenever Dutch betrays John and you can Arthur many time, and immediately following Arthur faces Micah immediately after learning he is this new rat, and you will Dutch asks who is that have your or betraying him, Javier corners having Dutch even after Arthur begs these to wade together; although not, he hesitates to try his firearm from the each of their previous members of the family if Pinkertons attack, and he escapes in addition to Dutch plus the other individuals. Sooner or later he and you will Expenses independent regarding Dutch and you may Micah to not be seen once more. However, by the 1911, on the Gates away from El Presidio, John and Javier return and additionally they nonetheless apparently manage each other to your specific peak due to the fact, in lieu of eliminating John when he spotted a chance, the guy as an alternative distracts John and you can runs away. In the event that John decides to destroy your, he then commonly lost a tear, really the only amount of time in the story John performs this.
Micah Bell
John and you can Micah aren’t getting with each other, just like Arthur therefore the remaining group, John and Arthur tend to joked one Micah envision he was new manager of your own group. In Western Venom, John, Sadie and you will Charles rating word of Micah’s whereabouts and you can John and Micah start a good shootout, in which John sooner avenges Arthur of the killing Micah.
Hosea Matthews
Like Arthur, Hosea (next to Dutch) got John inside and instructed him ideas on how to read, make, seem, and employ a weapon while also instilling him a philosophical attitude and a love for nature. As opposed to Arthur, Hosea quickly forgave John to possess making the latest group getting a year and you can understands that the guy understands the guy performed incorrect. Regardless of this, but not, they are and additionally conveyed frustration in this John is actually avoiding their commitments just like the a father in order to Jack and you can a partner (no matter if not yet lawfully up until 8 decades after) so you can Abigail in fact it is always trying to convince him when planning on taking duty having their loved ones hence Jack are it really is their boy despite John’s insistence which he wasn’t. Even with his diminished achievements so you’re able to encourage John the initial few moments, the guy fundamentally manages to get through so you’re able to John.
Unfortuitously, it absolutely was as well as right now one to Sean is killed from the the latest Grays and you will Jack was kidnapped by Braithwaites, and this pushed both therefore the whole group to appear getting Jack and you may flee once again. When Hosea as well as the remaining portion of the gang’s gunmen stormed the fresh new Braithwaite residence, Hosea constantly left John manageable to make sure that the guy would not manage things irresponsible inside their seek out the latest man and later assured him that everything is planning to exercise when they p.